tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7838912875770617243.post8812341817751161501..comments2023-01-11T04:43:53.909-06:00Comments on Hemmersphere: ATP: Prayers for the DeadHemmerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11371362875734155065noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7838912875770617243.post-13700495397882895742011-01-12T21:42:23.836-06:002011-01-12T21:42:23.836-06:00Since the passing of my son there was a turmoil in...Since the passing of my son there was a turmoil inside of me, I started questioning and seeking for answers as I had never did before - I compare this to an earthquake within. Until that point I was following all I was taught at home and the schools were I studied. Suddenly I sense there is something new coming from inside out. I am been the witness of my own rebirth I truly see myself as a co-creator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7838912875770617243.post-44099906651452265032010-03-28T20:10:41.092-05:002010-03-28T20:10:41.092-05:00Yeah, I absolutely loved the paraphrase of the exp...Yeah, I absolutely loved the paraphrase of the explanation of the Lord's Prayer. My trigolatta is at work right now (not home), but I'll try to look it over tomorrow.<br /><br />in Christ,<br />jWjWintershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674355134523417104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7838912875770617243.post-9428089767082381122010-03-28T11:33:13.227-05:002010-03-28T11:33:13.227-05:00Jay,
I don't have a Triglotta, so I don't ...Jay,<br />I don't have a Triglotta, so I don't know the prepositions in the German or Latin, but I suspect they're closer to "for the dead" than anything else, especially since the reformers are dealing with the Roman practice of prayers <i>for</i> the dead. It's this practice that they "do not condemn," all while condemning the false hope of our prayers being able to change the state (blessedness or condemnation) of the dead.<br /><br />I like the comparison to the Lord's Prayer. We pray for things that <i> already are</i> all the time, we just ask that God would cause us to realize this and receive it with thanksgiving. <br /><br />So whom do prayers for the dead affect? The living, the one praying. That's perhaps the critical distinction between Roman prayers for the dead (which are supposed to affect the dead) and Lutheran ones. Someone replied via email and mentioned the funeral service is the same way: it's not for the dead; it's for the living. The dead aren't guaranteed a safe passage to heaven by having a proper funeral (contra pagan funeral rites); their eternal fate is already decided. The funeral is to give comfort tho those of us who still grieve.Hemmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11371362875734155065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7838912875770617243.post-59883737392264469042010-03-27T15:34:40.186-05:002010-03-27T15:34:40.186-05:00Very interesting point here. I'm being a pain...Very interesting point here. I'm being a pain about prepositions these days. Would this not more correctly be deemed a prayer "upon" or "about" or even "concerning" the dead rather than "for"? "For" gives the sense of an intercessory nature of us "for" them.<br /><br />Thanks for this one!<br /><br />in Christ,<br />jWjWintershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674355134523417104noreply@blogger.com